This conversation explores the surprising ways our relationships with money, love, career, and ourselves can all be shaped by the same underlying beliefs about worthiness, safety, and scarcity. Victoria Stewart shares how leaving a 20-year career forced her to confront her complicated relationship with money, eventually leading her to combine money coaching with nervous-system and embodiment work. She also opens up about how the same “grasping” energy showed up in dating, where she felt she had to prove she was desirable and convince someone to choose her. Together, we explore what it looks like to stop treating every new chapter as a complete reinvention, integrate the valuable parts of who you were, and use curiosity rather than fear to guide what comes next. Most importantly, we talk about how to recognize when you're actually ready to move forward: not because you're never afraid or uncomfortable, but because you have enough resilience, self-trust, and clarity to return to yourself afterward.
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Speaker 1
All right, my friends, welcome. I am so delighted. You just heard the bio from my friend Victoria, but we are so excited to have you here. Thank you so much for being on the podcast.
Speaker 2
So excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1
Yeah. So I am so glad that we're having this conversation because you had me on your podcast, but I also think our story is just so interesting of how we originally connected. We were in a business program together for our coaching businesses, and we both had also done money work. And I'm always so interested at how money work overlaps with relationships and you being a coach that helps people around things like money and transition. I was like, "Well, this is just the perfect conversation for us to be having."
Speaker 2
Yes. Good. Yeah. I feel like we had the cutest of meet cutes because we're just sitting at a table with our teacher, Kate Northrop, inviting in her business coach who was then our business coach. And then we sat together a few times. And then we've stayed connected ever since. And that was what, two- Two
Speaker 1
Years ago. Years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so great. It was a cute meet cute. Anyway, what we're here to talk about. So tell me, how did you get started in your business as a coach? But also we'll go into your personal story too, because I feel like that weaves in throughout as well.
Speaker 2
Yeah. So I left my career of working for the US Navy as a civilian engineer project manager and then branch head without knowing what I was going to do. I had set myself up, I thought, well, financially I sold my house. I had more than $100,000 in the bank. I moved in with my parents. So in my mind, the $100,000 was going to last forever. But I was so insecure with my money leading up to all of this. And that somehow just having the money there almost didn't mean anything. It was like it was there, but I didn't know what it meant in terms of how safe was I? How long was it going to last? All of these things. And as I left, I can't remember if Kate's relaxed money started the week I left or the week after I left. So I started working on my money story, my money mindset after I'd already left my job without any income coming in, doing all of this work that felt really hard because it was ingrained into me 40 years.
Well, maybe not quite 40 years. And thinking about it recently, I realized, I think it started in college with the introduction of credit cards and not fully understanding how that worked because when it was just your bank account and it was coming in and it was coming out, there wasn't this, "Here's this free money and it's going to sit here and it's going to do this and it's going to do that." So I think the credit card introduction without any sort of education on how that system worked began to create this relationship with my money that was so unsettled that I just felt like throughout my 20-year career that I was in this perpetual loop of making really great money, overextending myself, ending up in some sort of debt payoff cycle, feeling like I was living paycheck to paycheck, making over $100,000. It was just so strange.
And I was like, okay, before you move on to anything else, let's work on this so that whatever you do next, you've sorted this out so that it can be a more balanced relationship. So I was working through Kate's program. She introduced us to Amber Duggar and Profit for Keeps. And then a few months later, me, who's never on Facebook, sees a Facebook post from Amber. I'm doing a coaching certification. And I was like, "Well, why don't I do that?" I was like -
Speaker 1
I do love Amber's system, by the way.
Speaker 2
It takes what Kate does with mindset and nervous system and kind of marries it with such a easy, straightforward framework that it starts to me to reinforce everything that you're changing with your mindset and your story and everything else. And you start to prove to yourself, "I really did change this. My money is now my partner. It's energy that comes in and out, not this thing that we give so much power to where it feels like it's out of our control." So instead of just working on that for myself, I was like, "I'm going to learn how to help other people with this because what's the best way to learn? You start to learn how to teach people." And so the interesting thing for me was that going in through the program, I realized I didn't have what I thought you needed to have to be a good coach, like skills to hold safe space, to be able to be a witness to people's emotions and everything else.
And so I was like, "Well, money is a relationship to me and it's a relationship to yourself," because I have found, at least for myself and a lot of people, that we assign a lot of our own worth to what we're bringing in financially. And so to me, that's worthiness, deservingness, all of these things that I was like, okay, I would like to have more skills on how to work with people with that. And so I went through Layla Martin's VITA coaching certification, which is a sex, love, and relationship coaching program based off of a tantric approach. So it takes a lot of the judgment out of, that's the whole idea is that nothing is good or bad. Things happen, you need to witness them. Let's let go of judgment and things like that, which I think is a super powerful perspective to bring to money.
And so now I'm working to marry the two where we're bringing in, let's see what's happening underneath by feeling what's happening in your body. What happens when you look at your money? Because for me, I used to like, okay, I'm going to do this. I'm going to sit down, I'm going to sort this all out. And then I'd get started and I'd get sweaty and I'd start breathing fast. And eventually I'd just slam the computer and be like, I'm going to go pick weeds or something because that was better than getting really clear with my money. And it's like, what is happening under here? And so it makes me really excited to be able to help other people with this because I can see through this last two and a half years, almost three after leaving the Navy, of how things have shifted for me just in my own work, in how neutral I feel now towards money, how it's fun to tell it where to go.
And it's not quite so, what's the word? Charged. It's not so charged. It's just a tool.
Speaker 1
Right. I love that you're taking teachings that you got from a love and relationship and sex coaching certification, and you're applying it to money because I've taken trainings in both myself and I always see so much similarity. Yes. And that's really why I wanted to be having this conversation is that whether people are listening and they want to get gems of wisdom about money from you, they can get that. But here's the secret, everybody. You can also apply all of this to relationships, to love, to healing. It all crosses over. So this is like a supercharge.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And it's kind of like, what's your gateway drug? Where do you want to start working? Because for me, it was money and I was like, let me start working on this. And as I worked through that, I'm like, all right, soon enough I'll be able to start working on the dating side of things of being ready to put myself out there. It's like the many different layers. It's just like for me, it was easier and/or maybe it was more acute that I was like, let me start with my money pieces. But underneath it all with the worthiness and everything else, I'm like, okay, there's more work to do here so that I do feel ready to start calling in my future partner to be putting myself out there in a different way for dating. And to me, it's just a different layer, a deeper layer that I'm working towards.
Speaker 1
Yeah. What has that been like for you? And of course we're all works in progress, so you're just being very open with, I'm still working through this. And I should also say that Victoria's podcast is called The Scenic Root. So a lot of these things are scenic roots. What has been your scenic root with dating?
Speaker 2
So very similar to my relationship to money, it was always for some reason, and I think it's just childhood relating to your family. My sister and I are very close in age, and so we were always compared to each other. And so I think I was like, I have to prove myself that I am just as pretty, just as smart, all of these things, which in looking back, I'm like, why was that the assumption that you made, little kid? It makes sense, but it also is like, huh, there must be something I'm not quite remembering that really was the trigger of why this is the piece.
So I always was really good at school. I was a good girl, but that also made me very insecure. And I always related to men, boys in high school and everything else. It always was from this place of, oh, I have to prove that I'm desirable. I have to, oh, look at all my amazing friends. Well, how will I get to single myself out? How will they see me as special and different? And so it was always felt like a competition. So the energy underneath it was grasping a little. Oh, let me grab this piece of affection. Let me grab this. And so I was not in my personal power. I was in a really. That place, for whatever reason, has always in the past, been super insecure, super disempowering. I have to find and grasp and grab and get them to stay, which is not an attractive force.
So it became a perpetual loop of it being proven to me that I somehow wasn't enough. So let me put myself in somewhat compromising situations so that something is still happening. So I finally, it's been a long time, was like, enough. You need to sort out what's happening because you're going into this either, well, now knowing energy. I'm going into it with the wrong energy, kind of the wrong intention too.
I think I was going into it with the feeling of I need a man to complete me because that's what we were told when we were little girls.
And so I was like, you need to work on yourself and work through all of this before you start putting yourself back out there so that you are ready. But I also put up a wall because I kind of didn't trust myself in those different situations. And I've kept the wall up a little too long, just because it's been a long time since I dated, but just because of all the work that's happened since I left the Navy, working for the Navy, I've gotten more clear on who I am. I can feel myself being ready because I've set some boundaries. I've practiced setting boundaries in different areas of my life. And I have figured out, not completely, but I am figuring out who I am. I've spent time with what it is that I actually want. What do I want my life to look like?
How does it feel to be in partnership? That's one of the amazing things about going through Vita's certification is you do a lot of the work on yourself first so that you understand what your clients might be going through when you lead them through all of this. And so I have a very clear sense or in my body of what it will feel like when I'm in the right kind of relationship. So it's starting to be where I'm like, ooh, this is curious. I think it might be getting to the place where it's time to go explore and call this person in and put myself out there and just see, which has taken me a long time to get there.
Speaker 1
Yeah, scenic route. I get it. Yes. And it's so interesting that I have a very similar story of I had a very graspy approach to love as well. And it's what kept me in relationships a lot longer than I probably should have because my underlying story was never enough, which I figured out from doing money work. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Yeah, I had this story of there's never enough. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm applying this in all areas of my life. That one guy is my only shot. There aren't other guys like him. It was like this scarcity mindset really.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Well, and for me, it was how I was in my career. And I didn't necessarily notice it in the money side, but it was like I would do everything for everybody. I was so good at my job. I put it ahead of everywhere else in my life. It became my identity. And then I left and I was like, "I don't even know who I am." And in relationships that I had before, I definitely tried to become whoever they wanted. It wasn't even that I was staying who I was. It was like, "Oh, well, whatever they want to do is what I want to do, whether it was in bed or just in general." And that is a really interesting perspective shift. As we get older, I think we get a little more like, "Why am I doing things like this? Am I ever going to grow up?"
Speaker 1
But I think it's so interesting too, the path that you've taken of you had this sort of, you left your career, you had this questioning of, I don't know who I am, and you're seeing it applying in all areas. How did you go about finding. I mean, I hate this term. How did you find yourself, Victoria?
Speaker 2
Well, let me tell you. No, I found it by just giving myself space. Like I said, I had no idea what I was going to do after I left. I just knew it was time to go. 20 years is a long time. It's time to turn the page, time to get to part two of the book, chapter 25, whatever it is.
Speaker 1
Or an all-new edition of a new book is really what it was for you, it sounds like.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And I just started following curiosity. I was like -
Speaker 1
Well, let's pause there. That's amazing. Well,
Speaker 2
Thank you, Emily Fletcher.
Speaker 1
Okay. I was going to say, where did that come from, this follow curiosity? I know I've heard it, but okay, tell me more about that first.
Speaker 2
So Emily calls it charm. Emily is my meditation teacher. She's the founder and creator of Zeva Meditation. I was lucky enough to do a six-month mastermind with her where she was developing her manifesting program, her embodied manifesting program. So she was testing a bunch of stuff on us. So we got to practice the things from Layla's program. There was a whole month about money and Kate came and talked to us. There was just all these different things. And we were also dreaming every day, as in we had a partner. We were like, "This is how my day's going to go. Here's the magic that's going to happen." And for a lot of us, that was really hard, whether it was throughout or to start off with. And she was like, "Just lean into what feels fun, what feels charming. What would you love to call in?" And so for whatever reason, curiosity is my version of it.
It's like, "Oh, what keeps popping up that I remain curious about? And let me just follow it because it feels kind of exciting and fun." Or where the universe is like, "Hey, over here."
Speaker 1
When you hear the same book mentioned over and over and over again.
Speaker 2
Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1
Ireland has been that for me lately. And I was like, "Oh crap, do I have to go to Ireland? Everybody's been going to Ireland right now." And I'm like, "Seriously?" The fifth person just came back texting me of like, "I just got back from Ireland. Let's hang out."
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
You're like, "All
Speaker 2
Right. All right.
Speaker 1
Okay."
Speaker 2
Well, for me, it started off with two different healers where you have healing energy in your hands, in your story, in your life, in your past lives. And I was like, "What?" And it was six to nine months in between the first one and the second one. And I was like, "Oh, well, I need to figure out something to do, so maybe I'll take an energy healing class." And for some reason, Reiki was the only thing that popped into my mind. And I was like, "Oh, I'll find a Reiki class." I did that. And then I found out that they have an animal Reiki class and I was like, "Oh, I definitely want to do that." And then I took an animal communication class and a sound healing class. And I was like, "I'm going to create a Reiki business. That's what I'm going to do."
Speaker 1
You did Reiki on me. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, "That's fun. Let me try that." And I was like, "Wow, this business building stuff is really hard. I don't know what I'm doing." And I was like, "And something about this feels not quite right." It took me probably another nine months to realize maybe it's because you left engineering
Speaker 1
Structure. You
Speaker 2
Knew all better way and decided I'm going to go over here to the magic, to the reiki, to talking to animals.
Speaker 1
Well - To the least tangible thing possible, really. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Completely. And I realized I had decided that the 20-year career was finished with it, but I was like, "Everything having to do with that is over, even parts of myself." And so I was like, "All right, the skills and everything that I had over here, why did I decide to throw her away too?" So I was trying to figure out how to bring myself back to somewhere in the middle where it's fully integrated. I could fully integrate the part of me that is like, "Oh my God, this is magical and so fun when I feel like a little kid who always wanted to talk to animals. And how do I bring it back to where I can marry this masculine career pieces of myself, this performing person, and bring it together?" And that's kind of what feels like with coaching, is that it's kind of that container.
All of that Reiki and all of that allowed me to let go some of the egoness. As a coach, you're just there to hold space and to reflect what you actually think. It's not as important. It's what your client is going through. And I don't know if I would've been able to fully understand that lesson if I hadn't learned it first in Reiki that you're just a conduit in animal communication where, hey, you're just a conduit. You are going to take your experiences to be able to explain something to somebody, but they have to be the ones to interpret it because they know their animal, they know their body, all of these things. And so I feel like that's how it got me back to here. But I got here just because A, following curiosity and also leaning into fear a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1
Before you go down that path, because I do want to go there, I want to circle back and almost double click into that integration. And I think this happens a lot when people get out of a relationship, they do this thing or a job or whatever. They do this thing but they're like, "Nothing from that is coming with me. I am a new person now," which in some ways that's great. That openness, that willingness to explore, to try new things. And also what you discovered is there are some pieces about that version of me that I really love and that I need, and it can really enhance the fun.
Speaker 2
Yes. Well, and if you decide for some reason you decide everything that came before is worthless, well, you're only here because of everything you learned back there. And if you didn't learn anything, how can you be ready to call in the next relationship and live it in a different way? Whether it's your career, whether it's a romantic relationship, even a relationship to self, relationship to money. If you're assuming that parts of what came before is no good, well, how are you really going to move forward if you're not going to allow and value everything that came before to allow you to be here? And I think that's the biggest lesson for me and for a lot of people is, especially if you decide you want to be a coach, all of your previous experiences, the secret sauce that you are bringing to what you bring as a coach because of all your past experiences, you are able to empathize with other people, understand where they're coming from.
And if you're saying all of that is worthless, well, what is going to actually happen? We don't really start fresh and from scratch.
Speaker 1
Right. Right. And I think this is right where fear comes in, especially with relationships, because sometimes people do that hard cut because of something traumatic or something where they felt burned or rejected or abandoned. And it's harder to integrate that because you get afraid of getting hurt again. So can you talk about, you were just going to go into you leaned into fear in your exploration of reclaiming your identity.
Speaker 2
Yes. So the interesting thing that I noticed is that there's almost a couple different kinds of feelings of fear that some of it was like a reflex. It was like a memory of something. And then that's kind of like, okay, let's just feel it. Let's just see what's happening. Let's just let it happen. And a lot of times if you let it happen and you just are like, okay, I see you. I understand why you're here. In the past, this was a very, could be pivotal situation, just like, ooh, things have gone wrong here. And a lot of times it will just kind of dissipate if you allow it to be there and to really feel it and be like, okay, is there anything underneath here that is worthwhile for me to remember? And remember so that I can make an informed decision about whatever it is that's happening.
I also noticed that for me, because in human design, if any of you are familiar with human design, it's like a conglomeration of astrology, metaphysics, all of these things. And one of the things it's very, very interesting and very complicated, and I don't know that much about it except for the really high level pieces. But the one thing that has stuck with me so much is that my decision authority of how you make a decision, is it riding an emotional wave? Which is actually the majority of the population. And our society is not structured that way. We want to make decisions fast right away. I'm so jealous of the people with sacral authority who really just have to listen. Is it a yes or a no? And I'm like, oh, you looky ducks.
Speaker 1
And the way that you're talking about it, emotional decision-making, what is that like?
Speaker 2
It means that you have to. Almost everything, it's like, this is the greatest thing ever. Oh no, it's the end of the world. It's the greatest thing ever. So you have to ride the wave. A lot of wave.
A wave. And it's still, there is a yes or no here in the center, but you get really excited, you get disappointed. You get really excited and you get disappointed. And I noticed when I would get Really excited about something, immediately I would have this total fear response and I was like, "What is happening?This is super weird." And then if it didn't balance out, I would say, "Okay, what is this fear trying to tell me?" And a lot of times it was like, "Ooh, this feels really hard. Maybe we could take the easy path and not do this." And I'd be like, "Maybe we should do this because there's something to learn
Speaker 1
Here." Oh, so you were talking to your fear and when your fear would say, "This might be hard, maybe we should take the easy path." You didn't listen to it. You didn't go, "You're right fear. Let's take the easy path." You went, "Oh, interesting you say that fear. Okay, well, there might be something worthwhile for me."
Speaker 2
Yes.
Speaker 1
Because
Speaker 2
That happened with the VITA coaching certification. I'd been working with a VITA trained coach for over a year, and I read the description of trimester one and I was like, "Nope, I don't want to do it." And I was like, "What?" I'm like, "You've been doing this work for over a year. What's going on?" I was like, "Interesting. I think maybe we should do this." There's some little kid in the background inside me being like, "No, no, no, no. Do not look behind the curtain." And sometimes the fear is there to be like, "Oh, I really don't want to look back here." And it's like, okay, well, maybe we should. Let's take a peek. What's hiding back here?
Speaker 1
Right, right. What are we so afraid is going to happen?
Speaker 2
And usually you learn something or heal something, which is good.
Speaker 1
And how is this interacting with your preparedness for dating?
Speaker 2
What I have noticed now is now that I've spent some time with this fear and with the ups and downs, that the more neutral I notice myself staying about something, the more true it is. So if there isn't the high up or the high down, what is it? Homeostasis, if you're staying close to that neutral, then I'm like, oh, okay. And I'm starting to feel neutral about
Speaker 1
Dating.
Speaker 2
And I'm like, oh, I think I'm ready, almost ready. Yeah.
Speaker 1
This was making me think, and I can't remember if it's something I saw when I was researching you or something that maybe you said in a podcast, but talking about the difference between temporary burnout and outgrowing a chapter of your life. Because I think that comes up in all kinds of areas of how do we know if this is a phase that it's going to pass? Kind of like burnout with dating maybe where it's like, all right, I got to stick through it. I got to find a plan or I have to take a little rest and then go back in, versus, well, maybe I really need to take a big pause on this. How do you know the difference?
Speaker 2
How do we know the difference? I suspect it's very different for all of us.
Speaker 1
Sure.
Speaker 2
And I'm thinking as I'm sitting here, I think it's when you start knowing what really lights you up, what recharges you. You start noticing in your life, what is recharging me? What is super draining me? Where am I staying? Kind of having a great day. And if you can start being like, oh, this activity, what I'm doing this lights me up like I never expected. I'm having a grand old time. And then you notice the things that, wow, this I have to do, I'll get it done, but I'm really tired afterwards. I don't know if I'm answering your question, but I feel like when you can be able to start noticing that both things are happening and starting to try to align your life so that it's staying a little bit more consistent, you're not flying high as a kite or completely drained,
Speaker 1
That
Speaker 2
Burnout place. If you're starting to live your life where it's just fluctuating some, it's a little in and out, a little in and out. I feel like that is showing you that your resiliency is back. And if it's staying consistent, well, then maybe you're ready. Because the first couple times you start dating or look at your money or apply for a new job if you needed to take a break, it's going to feel really, really hard. Well, so even if you're fully prepared, because it's like a muscle that hasn't been used in a really long time. So if it wears you down, but you come back up evenly, then to me it means that you're kind of ready. There's resiliency in the system. But if you create your account on the dating app or go to some sort of in-person event and for days afterwards, you're like, oh my gosh, I can't look at another person because my social battery is completely tapped out.
Well, then maybe it's a little premature. Maybe you need to charge your batteries a little bit longer.
Speaker 1
Yeah, so paying attention to your own natural cycles.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1
And what advice would you give somebody who's terrified of leaving something if they realize this no longer serves me, but it's familiar? What advice would you give somebody who's scared to leave that?
Speaker 2
My advice is to spend some time dreaming into what you would actually love your life to look like. Well, and for some of us looking like, seeing a visualization can be really, really difficult. So what would it feel like? That can be just a regular day. It could be like, this is what I want my day to look and feel like at work. If I had a magic wand where I could just go poof, and here's this magical place. Or here I am in a relationship, magic wand, let me tap myself on the head. How would I feel if I was in that kind of perfect relationship? What would my life look like? What would I feel like? Would I be wearing something in particular? Would I be feeling a certain way?
Would my house look a certain way? There's interesting things that can come in when you're just sitting there, what would I actually really want? And for it to look like, feel like, smell like, taste like. There's just so many fun things when you just spend the time creating a memory of that future so that I have noticed, then you start to recognize it when it's happening in your life already. And that can begin to start to loosen that fear a little bit because instead of the fear, you get a little excitement of like, ooh, I remember that feeling. That is from my future self. When my life looks like this, ooh, maybe I'll lean a little forward. Once you get a little excited, the grip on the fear loosens, the creativity comes out. Ooh, how could I get there? I want to leave. But if you're just saying, I want to leave, and you don't know what you're moving towards, it makes it really hard.
But if you get excited and you actually, it's almost like you've met that future, you can
Speaker 1
Be like - Make it feel more tangible. Yes. Because it's tangible what you're letting go of. You know what that is. That's the whole thing. It's familiar. But if you make the unknown a little more tangible, it makes it easier to step towards it.
Speaker 2
Yeah, because it becomes an old friend. It becomes a friend. It becomes a memory rather than feeling like it's something you don't even recognize.
Speaker 1
Beautiful. Okay. If you imagined sitting across from yourself the day before you left your career, what do you think that conversation would be like?
Speaker 2
I think it would be more like, "Hey, be gentle with yourself. You're not going to figure this out right away." And
Speaker 1
That's
Speaker 2
Actually the whole point. My podcast is called The Scenic Route for a reason because I was so goal-oriented for most of my life that I would completely forget to look around and enjoy my life as I was living it. And then the milestone would happen and I'd be like, "Well, that was anticlimactic. That didn't actually create this peak experience of some sort." And then I'd move on to the next thing and not even notice what was happening in my life. And I'd judge myself for it. We are so our worst critics. And so I would really just want to tell her, "There's no rush. You got this. Do Kate's work as fast as possible. Don't slack off for the first part of the program like you really want to because it's hard."
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Or I wouldn't say that, but it was just because everything happens and it's in the order it's supposed to. Sometimes you have to really lay the gentle framework before you can. The gentle foundation before you can dig into things. But it'd be more like you don't have to create something right away. Just enjoy Reiki for what it is. Just enjoy the coaching program for what it is. Don't be so in a rush to make it have to be something. I was so searching for an identity because I threw that part of myself out. It's like maybe that's what I would say. They're like, "Hey, you're taking her with you. You're just going on a different adventure. Enjoy the safari."
Speaker 1
Right? Yeah. I love that. If people are loving what you're saying, if they want to learn more about you, they want to work with you, where can they find you?
Speaker 2
So I mostly am on LinkedIn, and it's victoria-steward/coaching. And I'm on Instagram as victoria.steward.coach. That's probably the easiest way to get in touch. Send me a DM. You can have some access to some content. I have my podcast where I got to talk to Sarah, get to talk to so many cool people. It's my favorite thing there is. And it's the scenic route with Victoria Stewart and it's on YouTube, Apple, and on Spotify.
Speaker 1
I love that. And if you could give somebody a pep talk and they're going through a breakup or a hard time, what would you want them to know?
Speaker 2
I think I would want them to know that they're surrounded by more love than you realize. And it can come from anywhere. It can come from your animals. I think we sometimes forget how much the people we work with, the people, our friends, our families. When you're feeling really low, we sometimes want to cocoon and you're actually surrounded by way more love if you allow yourself to experience it.
Speaker 1
That's really beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that. And thank you for being here and sharing all this wisdom.
Speaker 2
It's my pleasure, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1
Absolutely.